Liveblog: What sports economists are telling us about stadiums and public funding

Day two of the sports economics conference at the University of Maryland-Baltimore County! We’ve got a packed day of presenters and we all got lost in campus construction on the way to the meeting room, so let’s go go go:

First up is J.C. Bradbury, who should need no introduction, speaking on “Franchise Relocation and Stadium Subsidies: Credible Threats or Cheap Talk?” Why do we still have so many stadium subsidies when they’re so pointless? he asks. Because sports leagues drive cities into bidding wars. The obvious answer, then: Figure out how to remove leagues’ monopoly power so they can no longer have cities over a barrel.

All that makes sense in theory, says Bradbury, but “in practice, it doesn’t seem to predict so well.” By now, pretty much every major-league market is filled, making move threats far less credible:

And when teams do leave, markets often get them back: Of 20 cities that lost teams since 1990, nine of them have already gotten replacements.

Yet the amount of money going to sports venues keeps going up. WTF? (Paraphrasing there.)

“None of these teams threatened to move, except for the Washington Wizards and Capitals.” And those teams, he notes, were told “to go jump in the lake” by both Virginia and Maryland; at which point “they walked back across the Potomac and asked for $500 million and were told ‘sure.’ They literally did not have anywhere to go and they got $500 million in subsidies!”

Looking at Chicago White Sox owner Jerry Reinsdorf’s campaign for a new stadium in the late 1980s, you can see how move threats are created out of whole cloth by a combination of team ownership and supportive elected officials:

Eventually, legislative leaders were able to get the stadium subsidy passed, with the help of stopping the clock in the meeting room to get around a midnight deadline — and with the help of the move threat that the governor himself had asked for. “Jerry Reinsdorf was never going to move the team,” says Bradbury. “He basically admitted it later.”

A similar scenario played out with the recent Buffalo Bills stadium, where news headlines said “everyone knew” that the team could leave, with no specific cities mention. And for good reason:

The fact that this continues to go on — despite expansion filling more and more cities — shows that the problem isn’t bidding wars. It’s that elected officials are handing over public cash regardless of whether move threats are real. Bradbury then showed a series of slides (no photos, sorry, they went too fast) showing elected officials in Atlanta standing with Braves players or wearing Braves jerseys.

Bradbury’s proposed solution: more voter referendums, because “you can’t fit a majority of the electorate in the owner’s box.” Then he closed with a Simpsons meme, just for me, and by extension you, FoS readers:

To a question about why voters don’t penalize elected officials, Bradbury says they do: Way more politicians are voted out of office for approving stadiums than for letting teams leave: “[Cobb County commissioner] Tim Lee was absolutely floored when he lost his election, because everyone around him loved it.”

More to come when this forms the centerpiece of a chapter in Bradbury’s upcoming book, watch for it coming soon!

Presenter #2: Frank Stephenson on how Taylor Swift’s presence at Kansas City Chiefs games affected TV viewership. There are many equations with Greek letters, but the upshot is: Viewership went up by about a third after Swift started showing up. This could be a potential gold rush for sports leagues, notes Stephenson, if they comp more tickets for superstars to get them to attend games — assuming they can identify other Taylor Swifts, that is, which could be a challenge.

(Major points to this presentation for using the mathematical term “Swift variable.”)

Up next is Shirin Mollah, presenting preliminary data on the impact of U.S. stadium on local labor markets. Looking at Texas and Ohio, she found that there are more new job listings in cities with stadium openings, though she still needs to look at more locations, over longer time periods, and related to specific events.

Paul Holmes follows, with the intriguingly titled “Moneyball, Body Mass, and Salary for MLB Hitters.” Previous studies have found mixed results as to whether Moneyball influenced things like on-base percentage in MLB; but Billy Beane also pointed out in the book Moneyball (which, to be clear, he did not write) that baseball teams overvalue “looking like” a baseball player. Have teams been more open to signing players of, shall we say, non-standard body-mass indexes since then?

The standard Lehman baseball database only looks at player weights once in their careers, so instead Holmes turned to an alternate data source:

Looking at weights on baseball cards, teams penalized overweight baseball players with lower salaries before Moneyball, but now they’re treated the same as their lower-BMI teammates. Rationality! Unless, as several questioners noted, BMI is a bad metric entirely, because you can’t tell flabby players from musclebound ones.

(This had nothing to do with stadiums, but it had baseball cards in it, so I’ll allow it.)

Next presenter is Jeff Carr on “But For? The Ballpark District and San Diego’s Investment.” Conference organizer Dennis Coates notes ahead of time that Carr is going to argue that “there is an economic benefit of stadiums,” so this presentation should be interesting, as should the Q&A at the end.

The Ballpark District is the redevelopment area around the San Diego Padres stadium, approved by voters in 1998. A previous paper (presented by Carr last year) estimated that the TIF district siphoning off taxes from the stadium district was enough to pay off the public costs; but can it be shown that that money would not have rolled in but for the Padres stadium?

The resulting analysis dove heavily into stats jargon (it took me a minute to realize Carr was saying “covariates” and not “covariants,” which are two different things), but cutting to the chase: Property values went up a lot more in the ballpark district than it would have absent the stadium. And looking at the alternate proposed stadium sites, they didn’t see a big rise in property values until many years after the Padres stadium was opened.

You probably see one problem here: Sure, the ballpark district got more stuff built, and more property taxes paid, because it was a ballpark district. (Assuming the model of what would have happened but for the stadium is accurate.) But does that mean that the city of San Diego actually got more overall tax revenues as a result? Or did the district just siphon off development that would otherwise have gone to other parts of the city? Carr agrees: “Just because we build a ballpark doesn’t mean we’re pulling money out of thin air” — for the county or metropolitan area as a whole, it’s likely all substituting for economic activity that would have happened elsewhere.

Geoffrey Propheter, who notes that he “eats, sleeps, and breathe property taxes,” has another concern, speculating that “what you’re actually measuring is this dot-c0m property appreciation push that’s happening at the same time” as the stadium construction. Carr agrees that’s a possibility.

We are getting tantalizingly close to lunch.

But first: Veronika Dolar on whether income inequality between countries impacts Olympic success. Her conclusion: Yes, athletes from countries with more income inequality do significantly worse in the Olympics, both because it’s hard to train like Michael Phelps if you can’t afford good food to begin with and because it’s tough to train as a bobsledder if you can’t afford a bobsled.

Lunchtime! More later.

Keri Rubinstein and her co-author (whose name I was too slow on the keyboard to record, apologies) looked at whether hosting part of the Tour de France has political benefits for city officials. Takeaway: “What we find is a whole lot of nothing. It’s robustly nothing too!” Memo to French mayors who might think they can point to their successfully landing a Tour de France stage to win votes next election: Ouais, non.

One of the highlights of this conference was going to be hearing Judith Grant Long (of stadium hidden cost fame) speak about her research into community benefits agreements in stadium and arena deals, but Long’s mother broke her hip yesterday, so instead her student Robert Sroka presents their paper. (You are very much missed here, Judith.) CBAs, he explained, are seen as ways for grassroots groups to extract benefits from a major development deal; and developers see it as a way to head off opposition by spending a few extra bucks. (I’ve written about CBAs myself here and here.)

“Community benefits” can be anything from parks to free tickets to opening new grocery stores, and Long has compiled data on all of these. A couple of sample slides:

A couple of overarching points:

  • CBAs are increasing in popularity, and are now the standard in both MLS and the NBA.
  • CBAs shouldn’t be assumed to be benevolent contributions — these are part of the political sausage making, and should be seen as such.

Question time!

  • “Is this just a legal form of bribe to leaders who claim to represent the grassroots?” Yup, can be.
  • How often do CBA signatories promise things and never deliver on them? Judith would know that.
  • Can we see a time graph of how many projects have had CBAs each year? “I believe Judith has a histogram in the works in the draft paper.
  • Why so many CBAs for MLS stadiums? It possibly has to do with so many MLS stadiums being sold to the public as community development projects.

Moving on, another economist well-known to readers of this site: Geoffrey Propheter, speaking on determining what factors predict whether lawmakers will or won’t support sports venue subsidies. More specifically:

  1. Are Democrats or Republicans more likely to support subsidies?
  2. If not, what does predict their behavior?

Propheter notes that there’s a selection bias here: “We only see votes for bills that make it through the process.” (In his stats, zero stadium and arena subsidy bills were voted down, because they just never made it to a final vote.) As Propheter has reported before, that’s very much not the case for public referenda:

 

Ideologically, Propheter notes, both parties have reasons to vote against sports subsidies: Democrats because it’s giving a ton of public money to billionaires, Republicans because it’s a huge intervention in the free market. But sports subsidy votes turn out to not be very party-line — and, importantly, don’t seem to carry a lot of weight in terms of whether voters will re-elect you. (Especially if you’re term-limited anyway.)

Some more findings:

  • Republicans, it turns out, are about 10% more likely than Democrats to oppose sports subsidy votes, though it’s more like 7% if you account for more variables. And legislators of both parties approve these bills overwhelmingly, so a 7% difference isn’t a huge amount.
  • Younger Democrats are much more likely to oppose sports subsidies than older ones; for Republicans, age doesn’t matter at all.
  • The most important variables predicting whether legislators will oppose a deal are how far they are from the site, how young they are, if they’re female, and if they’re more politically experienced. (Translation: The best friend a sports owner can have is an old dude who represents the stadium district and is new to politics.) In particular, term limits may make subsidies worse, because elected officials are more likely to have never thought about sports subsidies before, and also more likely to not care what their constituents want because they just care about having a physical legacy.

Coates suggests looking at 1) how officials are voting relative to what their constituents want and 2) which way legislators went in votes earlier than the final one, since there could be useful information there. (He agrees that doing either of these well is a challenge.)

Propheter says he’ll have more data down the road: He’s planning to spend the next five years compiling data for all votes since 1970. Everyone agrees to meet back here in 2030.

If you’ve read this far, I imagine you’re running out of steam, because I sure am. Let’s go to bullet points from here:

  • Mollah presents her second paper of the day, this one on whether English soccer teams that win create more jobs: Cities whose teams got promoted turned out to have more job listings after the fact, whereas those with teams that got relegated saw no impact. She then got into a heated discussion with soccer economist Stefan Szymanski about whether including very lower-level league teams like Grimsby Town F.C. (which is about the most lower-level English soccer team name imaginable) made any sense, since even if they get relegated, they can’t lose many fans, since they don’t have that many to begin with.
  • Zhaosheng Li presents on how NBA players learn from their teammates, and there were so many Greek letters. Not to mention Euler equations. It comes down to the fact that players will take less money to play with better teammates and learn from them (or, as a commenter noted, have a shot at a championship) and … yeah, this is all above my mathematical pay grade and seemingly mostly a theoretical model, I’m taking a mulligan here.
  • Scott Kaplan speaks on how much suspense and surprise affect viewership of NBA games. (“Suspense is really just expected surprise” went one explanation of terms.) One conclusion seems to be that people enjoy surprise but suspense is more likely to keep them watching, which, that tracks.
  • Coates presents a paper called “On the (mis)interpretation of hedonic price coefficients of stadium amenity values,” which he prefaces as being in kind of half-baked shape and basically an “Old Man Yells at Cloud” response, but plunges on ahead: Consultants say stadiums make everyone happier; economists say that’s nonsense. There’s an argument that property values go up near stadiums because people like stadiums — but could it also be because the stadium just took a huge chunk of property off the market? More research needed, which is what Coates is calling for.
  • Jonathan Jensen talks about Formula One and sponsorships, finding that since F1 changed its point system in 2010, when one team runs away with a championship, sponsors are way more likely to drop their teams as a result.
  • And finally, Stefan Szymanski, who haters of my “Is MLS a Ponzi Scheme?” article in Deadspin way back when will recall as one of the economists arguing that that league had overly inflated franchise values, presents on “Root, root, root for the home team: Did TV kill minor league baseball?” Short answer: Yeah. Long answer: Yeahhhhhhh. (A similar effect is seen with lower-division soccer in the UK, though those teams didn’t fold.) Basically, minor league baseball was a viable option when there was nothing else to do, but television gave people a constant stream of things to do, for free, and that was that — especially when there was no hope for promotion to a higher league as there was in British soccer.

And that is that — we’re done, in every sense of the word. Thanks for reading, and I hope this was … entertaining? Informative? Instructive as to what economists do when packed into a room with each other? Any of those, really. See you back here on Monday for our regularly scheduled doomscroll.

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Liveblogging stadium news from today’s sports economics conference

We interrupt your regularly scheduled news to bring you live updates from today’s session of the Sports Economics Conference 2024 at the University of Maryland-Baltimore County, hosted by UMBC economics professor Dennis Coates! I’m going to be on a journalists’ panel at 3 pm, but there are a ton of stadium economics superstars presenting until then, so I’ll be liveblogging as best I can. Refresh to see the latest!

9:02 am: Any day that starts with overhearing “What’s there to argue about? It’s the broken window fallacy!” is off to a promising start.

9:42 am: Nick Watanabe of the University of South Carolina presents on a joint paper on how the 2018 Pyeongchang Winter Olympics effected that small community, particularly in terms of housing prices. The authors’ conclusion: There was no overall impact on monthly rent prices during the Games, but the area did build a ton of hotels and resorts, which increased capacity. Besides, Watanabe says, “In the winter it’s freezing cold — so people are not like ‘Hey. we’re going to go up to Pyeongchang and watch some games!'” But rental prices for low-income residents did increase in the run-up to the Games, with landlords in particular charging significantly higher in deposits — 6-10%, or “hundreds if not thousands of dollars.” Watanabe concludes: “Is this gentrification? I can’t fully say.” (Though he does imply he thinks it’s better to be a landowner in an area with new sports activity than a renter — he told a friend in Arlington Heights that he should hold onto his house to see if land values go up after a potential Chicago Bears stadium, but he’s more concerned for residents near the proposed Kansas City Royals stadium who are likely to be displaced.)

10:25 am: Michael Friedman from the University of Maryland-College Park speaks on his book Mallparks, especially as it relates to the now-stone-dead Alexandria, Virginia arena deal for the Washington Capitals and Wizards. With so much evidence that subsidies for new venues are throwing money down a hole, he says, team owners and “no longer trying to sell us on half-billion-dollar stadiums and arenas, but rather “transformative” multi-billion-dollar “integrated stadium developments” or ISDs — or as Friedman also calls them, “Mallpark villages.” He notes, “Team owners are becoming real estate developers, regardless of their experience or expertise.”

In the 1990s, says Friedman, Wizards owner Abe Pollin “took on a tremendous risk” by putting up his own money to cover the construction debt for his new D.C. arena — but also got $70 million in public cash, a team-friendly land lease, and decades of tax breaks. Still, that debt was something other team owners didn’t have to deal with, so once Ted Leonsis took over the Wizards and the Capitals, he went to D.C. Mayor Muriel Bowser, who at first could only offer $432 million, then approached Virginia to see what he could get there.

Asked which stadium started the wave of mallparks, Friedman points to the San Diego Padres‘ East Village development, and then the St. Louis Cardinals‘ ballpark village as early adopters. “What I think shifted the paradigm is Battery Atlanta,” which is now the model for almost every new stadium — “I don’t want 15 acres for a stadium, I want 50 acres for a development.”

11:03 am: Victor Matheson from the College of the Holy Cross is up next, on sports facilities’ overall visitor impact. Noting the more than $35 billion in public money spent on North American stadiums and arenas since 1990 (not counting things like tax breaks and maintenance subsidies), he says, “If you’re going to be asking the public to build your factory for you,” you need to come up with a good economic argument.” Stadiums are increasingly being sold as “entertainment districts” that can also host concerts, community events, or even polling places, he notes — the Alexandria project’s economic claims assumed 511 events a year, which would have been required something like two-thirds of all ticketed sports events in the D.C. area to be held there.

To check on whether this is really happening, Matheson and his coauthors went to Pollstar and other public data sources to find out how many concerts and other non-sports events were being held at sports venues. “How often are these things used?” he said. “Not much.”

But even for those limited number of events, how many of the people attending are actually a net positive, and how many are already in town and are just substituting spending at one venue for spending at another? Matheson et al. looked at hotel usage (“with lots and lots of dummy variables,” for the stats geeks in the audience, which is almost everyone here) and found that “no one travels to go see the NBA [or NHL],” but “people will go to Minneapolis to see Madonna or Bruno Mars” (or for postseason games, sometimes):

The numbers are better for MLB and NFL games (Matheson is speeding through his slides, so no screenshots of those, sorry), but they’re still relatively low — and in terms of new tax revenue, at best only amount to a few millions of dollars a year. So sure, go ahead and spend money on new sports facilities, he says — but spend “in the low tens of millions, not the billions.”

11:30 am: Next on the docket is Jeff Carr from the University of Michigan, where he works with sports economist Mark Rosentraub, who famously published a book on why stadiums are terrible deals and then followed that up a decade of consulting contracts later with a book on why actually they don’t have to be. “I have Mark on speed dial if any of you want to debate him,” quips Carr, correctly reading the room.

His presentation is focused on three disparate sports venues — the San Diego Padres‘, Edmonton Oilers‘, and Las Vegas Raiders‘— but came down to: San Diego’s stadium district didn’t show big property value growth after Padres stadium opened, but new property taxes were enough to pay off the stadium debt (accounting for substitution?). In Edmonton, the city’s CRLs (their version of tax increment financing districts) had varying rates of development per dollar spent, with the overall upshot: “Did development occur downtown? Yes. Do we know why? No. Get back to me in two years.” For the Raiders stadium, he estimated a total of about $109 million in tax revenues over two years, counting hotel and sales taxes — amounting to a total of about $1.5 billion over 30 years.

The obvious question for me, if not everyone in the room: Are these really new tax revenues, or is some of it being redirected from other spending that would be happening if not for the new sports venue. The second Carr is finished presenting, Kennesaw State University economist J.C. Bradbury’s hand shoots up: “The real question is the counterfactual: What would have happened otherwise? I love going to San Diego and the Gaslight District, but the worst part is right around the ballpark.” Vegas has numerous other venues aside from the Raiders’ stadium, he notes — and as Matheson then points out, while Taylor Swift might not have played Vegas without a new football stadium, the Red Hot Chili Peppers might well have.

Friedman then pointed out that any study of visitors needs to account for “time switchers” who might visit a city regardless, and just choose to go to a stadium concert instead of doing something else while in town. Carr’s reply: He hopes to work on that, so TBD.

Time for lunch! More in a bit.

1:34 pm: And we’re back, all sugared up from the Oreo cake at lunch. Frank Stephenson from Berry College is picking things up with another look at visitor impacts from sporting events: The importance of hotel data, he says, is that you can use it to calculate incremental visits — in other words, subtract out normal amounts of hotel stays to find the net effect. You can also use it to estimate how long people stay, and whether there’s a “hangover effect” after a major event where spending is lower than normal, partly because it can take time to break down stages, etc., and prepare for other events.

Are there slides? You bet there are!

Stephenson, summing up: “Each running of the Preakness generates about $2 million in net hotel revenue.” That’s not nothing, but it’s also about .001% of the $200 billion annual local economy. “Sports gets tons of publicity, but in terms of economic impact it’s just not all that huge.”

2:30 pm: And now it’s time for Professor Nutjob himself, J.C. Bradbury! He previously warned us that there might not be any Simpsons memes in his presentation, so everyone’s on the edge of their seats waiting to find out.

The title of his talk is “Stadium Policy and Politics,” and draws off his must-read paper with Coates and Brad Humphreys on stadium subsidies. That paper broke stadium construction into three eras: the inaugural era (up through 1960), the “superstadium era” (the concrete donuts of the 1970s and 1980s), and the “stadium mania” era. And over that time, though construction standards got better, stadium lifespans started to get shorter, and is now around 30 years.

One reason, says Bradbury, is the novelty effect: Fans rush to see new stadiums, but the honeymoon wears off in a matter of 5-10 years. Team owners, though, are typically locked into 30-year leases — possibly to match typical 30-year mortgages, though there’s no real reason to do so. This means they can’t tear down a stadium every five years just to build a new one; they can, however, use the lease expiration as an excuse to demand a new home, and start the novelty cycle anew. And since the stadium mania era started in the ’90s, we’re getting ready to hit “the cusp of a new stadium construction wave.” He adds: “I’ve had to keep my phone on silent today because reporters keep calling me about new stadium plans.”

Meme time!

Over the next 20 years, Bradbury predicts, we’re on track to double the roughly $37 billion of public spending on sports venues that’s occurred in all of history so far.

In return, most of the spending at sports venues is redirected from other spending. Here Bradbury returns to the broken-window fallacy, which supposes the vast economic benefit from a child breaking a store window. “Oh, you should be happy, you’re going to pay the glazier, he’s going to spend money to feed his family, and everyone will get rich,” goes the fallacy, he says. “Hooray for the broken window!” But this leaves out what else the shopkeeper would have spent money on if the window hadn’t been broken — which would have had just as much economic impact.

Team owners love to argue that “but this time it’ll be different”; the numbers, however, continue to show that it never is. “Mike Plant, CEO of Braves development company said ‘We’re going to create a city. … This one will be different.'” Instead, when Bradbury looked at the actual fiscal results, “It seems like the county is losing about $15 million of its subsidy.”

So why do elected officials continue to provide subsidies for these deals? Some traditional theories:

  • Teams will leave without stadium subsidies. But the Buffalo BillsTennessee TitansTexas RangersMilwaukee Bucks all got tons of public cash without move threats, so that’s not always the case.
  • Rich people are using their political power to push through stadium subsidies. But team owners tend not to be that actively involved in stadium campaigns, and when they do, it often goes badly — see Alexandria.

Instead, Bradbury cites Kevin Delaney and Rick Eckstein’s Public Dollars, Private Stadiums, which cites the importance of “local growth coalitions”: a conglomeration of business leaders, political leaders, union officials, and media that end up doing the lobbying work on behalf of team owners. “Local growth coalitions are the unofficial guiders of development policy,” Bradbury says, something he saw firsthand when he sat on a local public development agency in Georgia and “we met at the local chamber of commerce” — which is hardly a neutral body.

“Getting politicians to like stadium is like shooting fish in a barrel,” continues Bradbury: They tend to be male, educated, affluent, and sports fans. At the same time, public economic development agencies have a huge self-interest in proving their worth by doing things, whether effective or not: As Bradbury puts it, “Shoot anything that flies, and claim anything that falls.” And, he says, “A stadium is a really good opportunity to say ‘I did that.'”

Media, meanwhile, can be counted on to engage in bothsidesism, where two opposing sides are presented as of equal validity even when one is backed by evidence and the other is just PR guff. It doesn’t help when economic impact studies are presented to give credence to the PR side — Delaney and Eckstein called them “fantasy documents,” Bradbury notes. (He himself has coined the more memorable term “clown documents.”)

And, he says, “the public really isn’t that supportive of stadium subsidies”: Several recent polls found majority opposition to using public money for sports construction. As economist Geoffrey Propheter found, 58% of sports subsidies were approved when they went to referendum; but 96% were approved when they went to legislative votes.

This entry is getting really long in part because Bradbury’s presentation is meant as a sort-of plenary, but also because he talks even faster than me; I’m leaving even more of what he said on the liveblog cutting-room floor. His conclusions: Economists need to do more studies of recent stadiums to combat “This one will be different”; policy advocates need to focus on how to influence growth coalitions; and media reporters need to stop treating all sides as equally valid, regardless of what actual evidence they have on their side, and also frame things in terms of opportunity costs: How many fire trucks could you buy with this money?

That’s the nutshell version. I’ve gotta go prepare for my panel talk, see you all tomorrow!

UPDATE: Here’s audio of the journalism panel discussion with me, Ken Belson of the New York Times, and Pat Garofalo of the American Economic Liberties Project.

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