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May 13, 2011
Vikings plan gets hate from Ramsey County pols, new naming-rights funding gap
The hits just keep on coming for the Arden Hills Minnesota Vikings stadium plan:
"I am generally not supportive of spending $300 million at this time for a Vikings facility." —St. Paul City Council president Kathy Lantry
"It is important to a whole lot of people, but the Ramsey County proposal is a complicated one. I need to know those [sales tax] numbers. What are they asking the residents and the people shopping in St. Paul to pay? What are the benefits of the Arden Hills site to St. Paul?" —St. Paul Mayor Chris Coleman
Of the county's 22 state representatives and senators, 18 responded to a Pioneer Press survey asking whether they supported the current county-Vikings proposal. ... Only one, freshman Sen. John Harrington, DFL-St. Paul, supported it, although Rep. Tim Mahoney, DFL-St. Paul, said he's "strongly considering it." Two lawmakers said they hadn't decided. Fourteen said they oppose it, with many responding via email with capital letters: "NO." —St. Paul Pioneer Press
Now, of course, there's no reason a Ramsey County Vikings bill can't get through the state legislature without the support of elected officials from Ramsey County or St. Paul (which is the county's largest city). Still, having seemingly every politician around hating on the bill isn't exactly a good start, especially when there's only a week and a half to get the thing passed. It's notable that the chair of the state house transportation committee, Rep. Michael Beard, told the Minneapolis Star Tribune that one option could be to send "some signals" to the Vikings this year and then pass a bill in 2012: "We have time to get [the details] teed up next year yet."
Speaking of the details, more are emerging with the release of the Ramsey County term sheet:
- As part of the deal, Ramsey County will buy the 430-acre Arden Hills site from the U.S. Army "on terms acceptable to the Parties," then turn around and sell 170 acres to the Vikings for a pro-rated price. Cost overruns on land acquisition similarly get split on a 170/430 basis.
- The Vikings pay cost overruns on the stadium itself, but they have a big out: "If the Team determines a retractable roof is not economically or otherwise feasible, the Team may decide to develop the Stadium with a fixed roof." The Vikings get to keep the first $41 million in cost savings from a cheaper project, splitting anything over that evenly with the county.
- The team will pay no rent, but will cover operating expenses, though the county will kick in $1.5 million a year toward those as well.
- "The County and Team shall jointly seek to exempt from sales taxes building materials purchased for the Stadium and related improvements." That's not a huge subsidy, but given past precedent it could amount to an extra $10 million or so from the state.
- "All revenues (net of generally applicable taxes, fees, etc.) derived from the operations of the Stadium and parking facilities including signage, naming rights, etc. shall belong to the Team." That's rather a big deal, given that the Rosen bill says that naming rights belong to the state; if the state balks at this provision, it could potentially an additional funding gap of $100 million or more.
Add in that estimated $175 million cost of new roads that no one's figured out how to pay for yet, and there are still a ton of questions to be resolved about this plan, and not a lot of time in which to resolve them. No wonder Beard is already looking ahead to a Plan B.
I know they wouldn't go for it, but just tear off the damn roof on the Metrodome and add some luxury boxes/seats.
Posted by Rob on May 13, 2011 12:08 PMToday Governor Dayton threw more cold water on the plan questioning why Ramsey County would have agreed to such a one-sided term sheet.
Posted by Ryan on May 13, 2011 05:38 PMYes, the Arden Hills proposal is bad for everyone except the Vikings, but people are talking as though the Minneapolis proposal is better. It isn't. Minneapolis would basically kill all entertainment in it limits by not only extending 3% sales tax on food and drink to the rest of the city but also adding to the already high 7.75% regular sales tax. Regardless, we haven't really had the discussion about whether we even need to build this at all.
Posted by wisher on May 13, 2011 06:14 PMwisher, needs-analyses are never necessary with arena/stadium projets. If team owners say a new facility is needed, that's it, analysis done.
Check out this story in sacbee today:
www.sacbee.com/2011/05/14/3626171/qa-sorting-out-sacramentos-arena.html
In the same edition of the paper, there are articles about Sacramento's $39M deficit, Placer County's Chamber of Commerce reaction to KJ's stance that they need to keep an open mind on arena funding, 1,200 final layoff notices to area teachers, and 70 state parks closing. A couple days ago, it was Sacramento County's $90M deficit.
It's simple: Sacramento cannot afford a $450M sports and entertainment complex at this time. So, Maloofs, if you can live with that, feel free to stay. And if you can't, well, go Warriors/Lakers/Clippers, I guess.
Posted by MikeM on May 14, 2011 01:37 PM