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April 28, 2010
Vikings racino bill gets axed
As expected, the plan to fund a Minnesota Vikings stadium through "racinos" (that's slot machines at race tracks) is going nowhere, with the state house overwhelmingly rejecting an amendment that would have tacked on a racino provision to an unrelated agriculture and veterans bill.
"This issue is not going away," bill sponsor Rep. Tom Hackbarth, told the Minneapolis Star Tribune. But it sure looks like the bill is, at least for now.
In other Vikes news, team stadium czar Lester Bagley now says they'd be okay with a non-retractable roof if that'd help get a stadium funding bill passed. Bagley told the St. Cloud Times: "Only in Minnesota: The Twins wanted a roof and didn't get one. The Vikings didn't want one, and they're going to get one." Actually, no roof at all for the Vikings would be even cheaper — but Bagley didn't offer to go along with anything as crazy as that.
Hey, Neil, the rejection was over a point of order raised by the Speaker of the House. Your "overwhelmingly rejecting" comment is inaccurate in that the implication is the racino concept was rejected. Granted, it's an uphill battle against the tribal casino lobby and their political influence gained through millions in contributions, but that's still no reason to misrepresent the situation. Attaching an amendment to use racino revenues for Vikings stadium to an ag bill was overwhelming rejected as inappropriate--out of order.
Posted by Gibson Carothers on April 28, 2010 10:09 AMApologies if it was misleading. In any case, though, if Hackbarth thought his best bet of getting the amendment considered was to tack it on to an unrelated bill, and then that got shot down, it doesn't bode well for its chances this session.
Posted by Neil on April 28, 2010 10:16 AMNeil,
It does not appear you follow Minnesota politics too closely. The Hackbarth Amendment not only provided funding for a Vikings stadium but also had funding for early childhood education, biosciences and agriculture and rural economic development. It was not unrelated to the bill at hand.
The Speaker of the House, who is running for Governor, has accepted campaign cash from Minnesota's tribal casino interests which currently have a tax-free monopoly on casino gaming. That fact, more than anything else, explains why the procedural vote went the way it did.
Posted by Chris on April 29, 2010 08:36 AMBy the way, I understand your blog is opposed to any public financing of sports stadiums. I will tell you that Minnesota just opened a stadium for the Twins and that over 9,000 people worked on building the stadium. The Vikings estimate that it will take over 10,000 workers to build a football stadium. With unemployment at nearly 10% and higher among the skilled trades, I think it's hard to argue that it's a bad idea to put people back to work by building a stadium with gaming taxes (which are totally voluntary).
Posted by Chris on April 29, 2010 08:41 AMChris, meet Gibson. You might want to get together and decide on whether this post was inaccurate because it didn't acknowledge the "unrelated" claim, or because it did.
As far as being opposed to any public financing, that's not true — if taxpayers get their money's worth for their expense, I don't see anything wrong with that. Creating 10,000 temporary construction jobs at a half-billion-dollar-plus expense, though, is a pretty lousy payoff — as economist Allen Sanderson is fond of saying, you could create more jobs than that by taking the money up in a helicopter over your city and throwing it out the window.
Posted by Neil on April 29, 2010 09:53 AMNeil,
I don't know how you can say that building a $500 million stadium with 10,000 skilled labor jobs is the same as throwing money out of a helicopter. It's called infrastructure and is no different than building roads, bridges or other public buildings.
The difference here is that the state isn't using income taxes to build the stadium but is financing the project with voluntary money. If you don't want to build the stadium or fund rural economic development programs then don't go to the racino. But there are many who do want to engage in that activity and would be happy to build a stadium.
Posted by Chris on May 1, 2010 12:05 AMNeil,
I don't know how you can say that building a $500 million stadium with 10,000 skilled labor jobs is the same as throwing money out of a helicopter. It's called infrastructure and is no different than building roads, bridges or other public buildings.
The difference here is that the state isn't using income taxes to build the stadium but is financing the project with voluntary money. If you don't want to build the stadium or fund rural economic development programs then don't go to the racino. But there are many who do want to engage in that activity and would be happy to build a stadium.
Posted by Chris on May 1, 2010 12:06 AMThe point that Sanderson is making is that spending money on anything — even throwing it out of a helicopter for people to pick up, or, as Keynes famously suggested, burying it in bottles and paying people to go dig it back up — is going to create jobs and economic activity. If the state is going to spend $500 million, 10,000 temporary construction jobs is about the lousiest payoff you could conceivably generate — you'd be far better spending it on something more labor-intensive and less steel-and-concrete-intensive (schoolteachers are a good example).
And economically, "voluntary" money is no better than involuntary money, since money spent at slot machines is money that people don't have left to spend somewhere else. So it's not like the money is being created out of thin air.
Posted by Neil on May 1, 2010 09:13 AM